CONTEST: Make Sonic and/or Tails Clone..., So many worthy Sonic characters.......

Yes, I would like to offer the public the chance, within a set of rules, the chance to add 2 new Sonic players to the game's roster, as Sonic's and Tails's Clones.

More or less if you can come up with gameplay changes that are reasonable and get a sprite set going, I'm willing to code it in, as long as you stick to these guidelines:

- THIS IS AN ART CONTEST, NOT A POLL FOR PICKING WHO YOU WANT. Do not post on this topic unless your sumbitting sprites that fit the listed requirements or are giving feedback to other member's submitted work. Otherwise your post will be deleted as spam without explanation. And because so many people have chose to ignore this rule you will get a warning, my patience is through.

- The character must have basic Sonic gameplay. The coin based damage and spin dash & attack. They must at least animate close to Sonic or Tails. Frame count is flexiable, but outside special moves try to keep to the basic range of sprite strips. Any characters that are close to these requirements are fine to cheat a little and have the basic powers in MKF, like Amy Rose.

- Sprites must be around Sonic's scale in this game. Both the old Game Gear and the new resized Sonic 3 skins are about same scale. Try as hard as you can to match it.

- We would prefer you match the draw style to the Genesis, or later Gamegear games drawing style. But we're plenty willing to accept other styles if they are well made. We won't be too rigid in the game of clashing sprites.

- DO NOT SEND ME UNEDITED GBA OR GENESIS SONIC SPRITESHEETS UNLESS: They are scaled to this game, and scaled well, and have the ladder, pickup and carry sprites. I WILL SLAP YOU.

- The Raccoon, Tanooki, Hammer Bros, and Megaman outfits are all flexible to a certain degree. They can be changed but keep in mind all Sonic powerup are supposed to be a little sub-par, due to how powerful Sonic players are by default.

- Giving a clone new powers comes with losing old ones. Try not to surpass the balance of Tails/Sonic. Your clones are subject to change in the name of balance. Keep in mind I have a reputation for making OP characters, so be happy knowing nerfing don't happen too much

- PRACTICAL, PLAYABLE > COOL

- MKF team members are not prohibited from taking part.

- Anti-Coalition spots can always be replaced. Forget about them.

- THE DEVS AND MODS WILL CHOOSE WHICH SUBMISSIONS ARE USED IN THE END.

This post has been edited by Obreck2 on Jun 12 2009, 12:41 PM

Anyway, a while ago, I started a Shadow edit of the Sonic Game Gear and Sonic 3 skin. And I might not get aroung to the skating, so probaly the best thing for Shadow is to edit an existing Sonic 3 style Shadow. I'll try may take on it later today. But if I ever edit my sheet well enough, then I'll post it here and see what you guys think.

Here comes Knuxy!

I'd like to see Shadow for Sonic and Knuckles for Tails.

Knuckles should be a clone of Tails. Just his flight would be changed from the Tails flight to the Knuckles glide. perhaps even drop the special powerups for the attack of the glide and the climb.

Perhaps Shadow should be a clone of Sonic. Maybe make him slower but get more projectile powerups instead of just shields. at least one projectile attack thats small and weak, with just a goomba killing power.

This post has been edited by Psycho_Cid_420 on Mar 11 2009, 09:21 AM

DIBS ON ROUGE!
Just Kidding, but I'll try to make somethin'
Cream is definately not getting in!
But First, where in the world is my flashdrive?

I wish you all the best of luck.

Do remember to try to create a character that is practical. Shadow is cool, but if another character that has an actual working gameplan to back them up arises I'm more prone to go with the working choice than the cool one. Shadow can be a Sonic skin easy enough.

Knuckles would be pretty striaght forward, being that he has a very solid and distinct 2d gameplay setup, so just a matter of porting it.

Shadow and Knuckles for the win.

I think this is a pretty easy decision.

I'd personally like to see Shadow have a Chaos attack, dropping the Bounce Attack, but if Shadow is just a skin, then I guess I'm fine with that.

its all about Mighty and... um... who's that other guy? I think he was a rat or something ;P

Amy for Sonic and Knuckles for Tails.

Why not Shadow? Because he's an over-rated uninspired whiny emo bitch that should burn in the fires of hell. He was fine in SA2 though.

Anyway, I really chose Ms. Rose for her mechanics. Shadow can be a costume but Amy would actually bring something new to the table. And because Amy's a girl. MKF needs more girls. And she has a hammer. Girls with hammers are awesome.

This post has been edited by Rorschach on Mar 11 2009, 06:55 PM

While I generally agree with all of this wholeheartedly...

I think everyone is missing the point of this topic. It's a contest to make the spritesheet. Not a poll. o_O

Well, Shadow will be in his SA2 incarnation in MKF according to Ben. What I think is, if possible, Amy is Sonic's alternate, and Shadow as his clone. But Obreck said that each character may have one, but, like he said, go with working rather than cool, so I agree.

Actually, it'd be more like the other way around. Remember, 'Clones' have fundamental gameplay differences (Proto's HP system as opposed to Roll's suit system). 'Alternates' are like skin mods, but would have, say, more swimming frames; or a modified walk cycle.

Gameplay wise I will say Knuckles and Amy Rose are among the most solid possiblities much more so for Knuckles. Knuckles has his glide, cling, and punch. No questions that he brings something very new to the table. Amy has that huge mallet, which already changes her quite a bit from Sonic and Tails.

As for Shadow I want to make it clear I have nothing against him or am in any way discouraging him as a choice. I'm just want to make sure people are aware this not a popularity poll: Shadow is just a subject to quality control as any one else and will need solid gameplay concepts as well as sprites to win.

This contest is intended to add 2 Sonic players that bring something new to the gameplay. Just slapping a skin on Sonic/Tails with no real thought put in other than "Der mah favoritist Sonic player in dah world" and hoping a new MM suit and some forced, vague ideas about different gameplay will lose you this competition.

Neither popularity nor speedy production will win this contest. If you want to make Shadow, show your respect for him by taking your time and planning him out well. Get him done right, add layers of difference over time if need be. If I wanted a Shadow skin with just a few slight differences in gameplay from Sonic, I could get one of the ones already made and do it myself.

This post has been edited by Obreck2 on Mar 11 2009, 09:23 PM

Well, I'm using a good made Sonic 3 style Shadow. Could I increase the number of frames? It just doesn't seem right as it is now. I got a basic plan for Shadow.
His gameplay will be similar to Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow didn't get get the Bounce Blacelet nor the Magic Hand (Which was useless. ) So, instead, Shadow could either get the Chaos Spear or a dash attack (not Homing Attack) in the cost of Rings in exchange for the Bounce Attack. I don't got any ideas on Mega Man suits. Sheilds stay the same. Shadow would be slightly slower than Sonic, faster than Tails. That's my take. I'll think of Amy later.

Yes clones can have different frame counts. Just keep within reason.

If the damn thing would let me give
you 286598732465892346 internets,
I definitely would.

I'm all for Amy or Knuckles.

I just finished a few sprites for Rouge, won't take me long now maybe a week or 2.
I JUST NEED MY FLASH DRIVE.

But, in the unlikely case I won't find it, Here's who I'm up for.

Shadow: Is already a clone of Sonic, just emo/goth/whatever (Also, I don't like Silver.)

Any other character than Cream: No Cream kthx

Shadow for Sonic.
Knuckles for Tails.

This is a contest that requires people to actively take part in the character construction. Not a suggestion topic. If you have suggestions you have no plans to contribute work towards take them to the Develop WIP clone/alts topic. And for the record vague gameplay brainstorming does not count as contributing.

EDIT: I'm being too rough and unclear again. At least try to give a solid explaination why you wish any suggestions should be made. Just because you like a character doesn't mean they would make a good clone. New gameplay is just as important. Popular characters that have little new to offer can be skins.

But I will delete any future one sentence suggestions. This is not a popularity contest.

This post has been edited by Obreck2 on Mar 12 2009, 01:38 PM

Cool, interested in seeing your work, as well as UltimateGamer's progress on Shadow and Amy Rose.

So far it looks like Knuckles and those 3 are the most likely to see complete submissions. So I'll try to weigh options of what can be done with any of those 4.

I'll get on making the sprites soon, but here's my idea for Sonic's clone.

Shadow.
He plays just like Sonic, but he has a middle-range weak projectile (Chaos Spear), he's slightly slower, doesn't lose all his rings when hit, and his rocket shoes allow him to glide for a quarter of a second or something when running off a cliff or a block or something when running at full speed. Sprites coming soon.

EDIT:
My idea for Tails' clone, I will try to sprite her as well, but it'll come out as crap.

Cream. (MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*hackcough*hahaha.)
Her flight gets her higher, but slower, and it feels stiff. And she's not allowed to fly as high. Also, she can use her Chao to home in to close (VERY close) enemies.
Proceed to shoot me.

This post has been edited by Megaron on Mar 12 2009, 02:09 PM

Thanks. Its not the best sprite sheet ever, but I can still try!
I'm using the Tails sprites and editing around that so I get the sprites just right!
I'll get some more done before the night is over!

Her extras will include-
Gliding: A Small glide to obtain distance
Shry-Rouge-ken: If I remember correctly, she could attack straight up during her gliding, but the negative is that you'll fall straight down, with no moving to avoid clumsy death.

She'll have two of Tails' powerups The Megaman, and the Shield.
Her Megaman P-UP will be....not Splash Woman: Pandora
Her Spartan (If that's okay) is her get up in Sonic Heroes

This post has been edited by Mini-Yoshi on Mar 12 2009, 03:03 PM

My take on Ms. Rose. (I WOULD call her 'Mrs.' but... ) Amy is slightly slower than Tails, if not at all. Amy would, of course, get her Piko-Piko Hammer instead of, say, the Spin Charge. (Amy couldn't ever Spin Dash, anyway) Amy would use her hammer the same way you do a Spin Dash. Amy COULD get a power-up that lets her Spin Dash, and we could move the hammer to the run or fire button. No ideas on Mega Man suits, yet. And also, Amy could spin in the air, like in Sonic Heroes, for a few seconds, dropping the Bounce Attack. All of these, including Shadow, are subject to change. If anyone has ideas, let me know, and I'll take them into consideration.
EDIT: Amy having her Hammer jump from Sonic Adventure? That would be too over powered, wouldn't it? Also, Shadow has 8 run frames in his animation. Should I decrease them?

This post has been edited by Ultimate Gamer on Mar 12 2009, 03:51 PM