Here are the poses I did... I don't know if these would help you or not...

Eh...

Well this is very disheartening. Very. Disheartening.

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So...nobody really cares for them? That's very...eh. Ah, well.

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Eh...

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No update today, I had a bunch of other things to do. So, yeah.

AkumaTh: Well, those look way better than mine. How'd you make 'em? Ah, well. Maybe I should just let you do it...

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Eh.

The sprites look fine to me. The little things can be fixed in the end. My only thing is I think his eyelids should be blue like the newer games, but that is just personal preference.

I like the old ones better... no offense of course the new ones are looking cool and stuff but yeah... its maybe just me but I would keep the old ones

new ones look way better

Nice, but eyelids should be blue.
That's it.

I'll be very frank.

Poppants, your new sprites are extremely nice. Personally, I think the GameGear sprites look a bit... off so your sprites are welcome.

I can't wait to see how it will turn out in the next update.

*le gasp*

A fan backlash against the established sprites?

...Yeah, actually. I always thought Sonic 3 sprites were the best base. To be honest, I was just glad that Obreck made the Sonic MKF sprites with the Sonic 3&K palette. To have sprites based on S3&K would just be a huge bonus.

Come on Poppants and AkumaTH, you're both talented spriters, can't you colalborate and bring us the entire sprite sheet? Even if they don't get the elite seal of approval, I think it's established that a lot of folks would just like some alternative custom Sonic sprites!

Okay, sorry for the...lack...of...me...being here. And such.

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Anyway, yeah, no update for a little bit. Sorry, I'll get right on it soon enough.

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Bloodgrey: I realize that, and it WAS one of the things I was thinking about...But I think, with Sonic's more cartoon-y proportions, this was only fitting. If you have it flat like in the Game Gear sprites, it just doesn't look right.

AkumaTH: Hey. If it's really so easy, I think we know the thing we should do, here. You do it.

Seriously, now. It takes me a long while to do all that, and with resizing, it becomes easy. Huh. So right now, I'm not sure what to do. Collaboration, perhaps? Maybe I could use some of the poses you already did...or maybe I could try to do them all, myself, to stay in style. I'm not sure, but I must admit yours look fantastic, much more so than mine. And. Easy process. Big plus.

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Also. Everybody. Thanks for the support on this, I appreciate it. It would be great if we could all come together to improve the game!

For the people that don't like them, that's fine. You can't please everybody, and that's something that's a fact of life. If these, on the slim chance, ever do get in, then you can always use the original Game Gear ones as a skin. But I doubt they'll make it in the way this is going. Heh.

I'll work on more when I have time. I have to read some books and write six or so essays before school starts in a week...and I haven't done that yet. So, yeah.

"Bloodgrey: I realize that, and it WAS one of the things I was thinking about...But I think, with Sonic's more cartoon-y proportions, this was only fitting. If you have it flat like in the Game Gear sprites, it just doesn't look right."

I have to agree with Poppants on this. Making the nose smaller would actually make it look like Sonic's nose just got punched into his face.

I think this is a swell idea! I do really like the idea of Sonic's sprites from the 3rd game being redone to match the correct height.

well i wouldn't mind converting the quickman sonic sprites myself, once the the gen sheet is finished.

Here some I did so far...



I took Poppant's picking up sprite and fixed it around so it's more Sonic 3ish. I also changed the bored pose so he sleeps instead of lays down. If no one likes it, I'll fix it to the laying.

Those are excellent, but I'll have to redo the picking-up sprite sooner or later, the shading isn't very good.

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So...

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Now...what am I supposed to do, then?

If yours are so easy to convert, then...huh. Should I just work on the Quickman Sonic sprites or something? Or just let you and bladesman do the rest?

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Gah.

Nah. You've already done some, it's probably best you do them.

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Oh, well. There goes yet another selfish chance of getting something worthy of mine into the game.

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Anyway, good job. May I suggest you resize the fire shield and its frames of animation as well? As well as the lightning shield? The one they're currently using are a bit...bland.

We're not making a skin here, you know. We're trying to improve the existing Sonic sprites.

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So...if you resize that and give that to them, I think they'd heartily appreciate it.

Shouldn't be too hard, anyway.

Hey AkumaTh, would you mind if I redid the running sprites so his head turns slightly like in the game?

Someone my want to touch up the arms a little bit, but here is an attempt to update the walking poses.

Gimme some time, I'll try to make some nice edits...

If no one minds, I will start working on the jump sprites.

I don't mind, personally, but I think AkumaTH wants to work on them for the sake of consistency. Let's wait to see what he says...

Anyway!

I've made some minor edits, and redid the horrible grabbing sprite. Basically, I made the nose more round and cartoony like I think it should be, fixed the shading on your arms...and...well...that's about it, really.



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Yeah. I do think someone (Maybe I) should fix the forward sprite, though. It's really, even though it's from Sonic 3...just...meh, in my opinion. Too flat. Too boring for a victory pose, too.

Oh, and the soles of the Rocket Shoes I made white. This should help differentiate them more.

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I'll work on it some more, but it's around midnight where I am, so I need to pack it in very soon.

Thanks for the help, guys.

...Even when I start something, it looks like everybody else comes and takes all the glory, eh?

We will never let you have the glory Poppants

Seriously though, I like working in a group, since you can all work to improve on something together (look how good Dry Bowser turned out with all the help). I'd say you should go ahead and fix up the front pose. Maybe something like a thumbs up or something. Also, I agree that if this is going to be official, the shields could use with an update.

I finished the jump sprites already, but I let AkumaTH decide if he wants to use them

I think working in a group is a great idea. It'll get the job done faster. And both of your additions look very good.

Did a quick one. Added ducking sprite and changed running sprites faces.

A few more poses and we're done... (Though copy and paste the left shoe (Sonic's right) over that ducking one so it can match better.)

As for the Shields, I decided to give my Rotosprite and test out it's scaling feature to see if I can get something to work with...



The lightning shield looks alright shrunk as is... Though I'm not sure shrinking the fire sheild was a good idea.

Okay, I fixed up the shoe on the ducking sprite, and changed the first part of the stopping sprite's face (left the second part alone as it looks good).

So...

Is Tails going to be revamped too?

Pushing sprites finished.

While I'm glad someone finally decided to rework the Sonic sprites, some things about those look really off; especially the blinking, the shape of his nose, and the lifting animation.

Rather than redoing the sprites competely, you guys should really just alter the Gamegear sprites to look more like the Genesis ones.

Flying and Poll Grabing:

The head looked a little messed up, so I fixed up the poses to your sprites...



After checking, we just need 16 poses to be done. Spring (1), Carrying overhead (6) Carrying (6), edge (3) and climb (2). The spindashes look pretty good to be kept.

I decided to try to do the Spring jump pose. (very Bottom right.)

I also made a custom Spring Jump, and added the spin dashes (just so we can have all the poses on one sheet for now).

Giga's spring jump seems more constant with the style.

I made the two climbing poses, and I remember what Poppants said about the front / warp pose being kind of plain, so I made a new one.



BTW, bladesman are you going to be doing the Quickman Sonic revisions?

You read my mind, GG. That's exactly the one I was thinking about when I said that. Anyway...

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Aw, man. School is really becoming bothersome. I've got a crapload of stuff to do before it starts, and it's just retaking its place as an unnecessary, annoying pest in my life. Sucks. I have to read two books and write six essays on them in a week, and I'm not feeling very motivated. Ah, well.

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So! You guys have...gone on. Quite a bit.

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Sorry...I...wasn't here for this. That's very careless of me, I apologize.

AkumaTH! Double G! Thanks for the help with this. No. Thanks for allowing me to help you with this, I'm hardly doing anything at this point. But...I think I can help, now. I just realized, after experimenting a little bit a few days back, that Akuma REALLY wasn't kidding when he said resizing was easy. Like, really easy. I never knew, thanks for the trick!

Which poses do we need, now? I think we (By that, I mean you guys) are doing a fantastic job so far. This should be a piece of cake to finish.

Because I felt a bit guilty of you guys doing all the work, I started on a rough Quickman sprite a few minutes ago. Turning out decently. I need some input on it, though. Maybe we can collaborate with this as well. each do a few poses?



...But, really. Thanks. I couldn't even think of ATTEMPTING this without you guys' help.

The head-symbol is supposed to overlap his eyes a little bit, it looks badass that way. I say let the Bladesman do the Quickman revisions.

Still don't like the mishapen nose, personally.

I should be the one thanking you two for letting me jump in and help with this, and especially AkumaTH for the resizing trick, as fixing the sprites up is much easier. BTW the only sprites left are "Edge" sprites. After that, if there are no more touch-ups (the nose might need fixed as some sprites have smaller ones than others) then I will reorganize the sprites and color the shoes orange & white for the rocket shoes.

As for Quickman, my suggestion is make the bottom quill a little smaller, the head emblem maybe a little bigger, and gold trim for the ears. Other then that is looks good.

Looks like it's my turn to thank you two. As easy as the technique was, I kept delaying it for other spriting projects. With your help and additional fix up, this is seeing completion much sooner then if I was doing it alone.

Big thanks to you, Poppants and Double G. As for Quick Sonic, I have to agree with Giga about the quills. The rest I got to check a comparison to the Quick Sonic in the game now.

Hm...They're definately looking better. If you want to go for the classic Sonic look, then erasing out his smile and leaving him without a mouth would do it. Otherwise, great job.

I think the mouth should be kept.

The smile is the best part of the S3 sprites, it just looks so smartass. It fits his "adventure loving" personality.

Though Sonic won't like some of these adventures...yeesh.

Everything is looking great.

I'll reskin the official Sonic with then new look once you guys complete Quickman Sonic. I'll have the old Game Gear sprites released as a separate outfit pack.

Should Tails be redrawn in S3&K style, too?

I did the edge sprites and updated Quickman Sonic a little bit. Hopefully, you don't mind, bladesman. Hopefully. I was just trying to move this along a bit faster. If we're lucky, ours can be as good as the original ones you made!

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And...yeah. The edge sprites, I know this is going to sound like an excuse, though, were a bit tough to resize. You guys can fix them if need be.

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I think I'm going to have to agree with Obreck about Tails. The sprites they used as a base were not as 'primitive', if you will, as Sonic's Game Gear ones. Plus, he's already really recognizable as Tails. A Sonic 3 makeover would be fine, but would probably too much extra work and not really worth it.

Anyway, thanks everybody. This is turning out awesomely.

I dont mind at all poppants, but i've taken a go at a gen version myself.

Its not final though, i may edit the quils a little.

Ok, I noticed a slight problem with the edge sprites. They are for two different poses, so I used Poppants last one and made up a third one to go with the first two. I also redid the sprite sheet to make it more organized since we have all the sprites we need for the basic form.

once again blade makes a awsome quickman sonic, i think it looks better then poppants one

I recolored the sprites for the jet boots. I also made the sprites for Sonic flying with the boots, but I redesigned them a bit from the original version. I tried to make it look like Sonic would be keeping his balance while flying.

not to fond of the jet sprites

Actually, I like the idea of the keeping balance, but they look a bit odd for jetting forwards (unless they're just him hovering upwards, in which case they look fine).

While balancing would make some good animation, it doesn't make good for moving forward. Which is why I did my try at those rocket shoes...

What is the fly sprite for?

I believe it's for when he picks up the Leaf Power Up.

Because of the moving forward problem, I changed them up. I like AkumaTH's version, but I figured I would show my new version since I finished it anyway.



EDIT: Stupid me, I forgot to edit the flames on the boots.

I think that this is very awesome.

The Fly sprite is left over from when they were going to have Tails Carry him!

It could be that they'll use that in a cutscene though so it'd be a good idea to continue making it! ;P

Wow this look great! They are definitly an improvement.

Those sprites are so full of win, I passed out!

Giga Ganon and his friends got over 9000 exp.

Congratulations, guys.

I guess all that is left is to wait for Quickman Sonic to be finished.

I want to apologize for the time its taking to finish the quick man sonic revision, I’ve been a bit busy with some other projects. Here’s what I’ve completed so far, I should have the rest done by Wednesday at latest.

I suggested in another thread that Sonic should be given a swimming animation. It should look a bit awkward and child-like, flapping his arms and legs like crazy trying to keep afloat. The same animation should be used even when he isn't wearing a life jacket.

Wow I wasn't even paying attention to that fact that this got updated. The sprites look great so far bladesman. If I could make a tiny request though, could Quickman Sonic retain his smirk for his standing pose?

QUOTE (mr3urious @ Aug 22 2008, 01:43 PM)

I suggested in another thread that Sonic should be given a swimming animation. It should look a bit awkward and child-like, flapping his arms and legs like crazy trying to keep afloat. The same animation should be used even when he isn't wearing a life jacket.