Conceptual impression:


Once I get master source duties, and after v0.3 is released, I will work on merging in Yoshi from Hello's newest engine into MKF.

One thing I cannot do is give Yoshi his SMW mechanics. Putting his SMW mechanics into MKF would break the game. Here's what I'll do to Yoshi once I merge him in to MKF:

*Give him Yoshi's Island sprites. I will also separate his colored parts so that I'll be able to make Yoshis of any color instead of just green.
*Severely limit what kinds of enemies he can eat. First, I will make use of a new enemy tier system that Obreck is making to denote what Yoshi can and cannot eat. This means Yoshi cannot eat Covenant Elites, Birdos, Mousers, or anything that requires multiple fireball hits to kill. Second, enemies will have a special flag that makes them immune to Yoshi's tongue. That means he cannot eat enemies like Bob-Ombs, Spinys, Covenant Grunts, any Metal Slug enemy, and so on. He can eat cheap spawn enemies like Goombas, Bydo ships, and so on.
*EDIT: With enemies he can eat, he will convert them into Eggs and throw them at enemies. There will be an Yoshi's island aiming cursor to aim Egg Throws.
*Yoshi can catch certain projectiles with his tongue and spit them back at enemies. For example, he can slurp up Covenant Plasma Grenades and spit them back at enemies.
*Landing on spikes will dismount the rider from Yoshi and hurt the rider. There will never be a level where there is a vast field of spikes/Munchers without a Starman or moving platform.
*Getting hit while riding Yoshi will send him running and hurt the rider.
*Yoshi will gave any character Mario's stomping power. This means that If Arthur is riding Yoshi, then they can stomp Goombas but will get hurt if they try to stomp a Spiny.
*EDIT: Yoshi will give players a free hit (no powering down) if knocked off Yoshi. He will also walk on hazards (lava still kills). Yoshi grants any character spinjump power. My first draft of this proposal would have made Yoshi severely handicapped.

Yoshi will be a temporary powerup in a level, like the Stomp Boots and Life Jacket. That means that Yoshi will be gone when:
*You clear a level.
*You run into the Pluton Fly thief, in which case he will kidnap Yoshi away.

No existing level will be retooled to handle Yoshi. Upcoming levels will make use of Yoshi, if the level designer chooses.

Sorry, but theres some stuff here that I just can't agree with. Although I do apreciate that it's your choice, I just don't see how yoshi broke the game. The ability to walk on those plant things was always just a brilliant way to get a key-and-lock puzzle (oh no, how will I ever get to the exit! *GASP* it's Yoshi!), and although I do see how leaving this ability in may break some parts of the game, had yoshit been allowed in all parts of the game, I don't see what he could do wrong in levels designed for him. I also don't see how what him eating spiky enemies will in any way - it's his main power! Also, the whole spin jump thing, I guess I can see that that may break the game in some areas, but I do not see how it broke SMW in any way.

I just don't think I'll ever get over riding yoshi and not being able to jump on spinys, it's just crazy! Can't you at least make it so if your mario riding yoshi, you have the spinjump thing, considering Mario can do it already? (but not while riding yoshi)

Actually, if Yoshi is just a temporary powerup, I really don't see why you can't leave all of these abilities in, and make him a kind of key-and-lock item, sure, he may be overpowerered, but if you know which levels he's going to be in, you can just rebalance them!

Anyways, that's just my 2 pence. And don't worry, I realise it's your choice, I mean, at least yoshis in the game.

Nathaniel: SMW is tailored to Yoshi, hence all the key puzzles and such. MKF is not. So in order for Yoshi to be put in MKF, he has to be nerfed significantly. Sorry, but I exercised the idea of keeping Yoshi like his SMW version, but it would be broken in MKF.

I will model Yoshi after his Yoshi's Island Version. He will even be able to make and throw eggs to make up for his nerfing of other aspects.

Ah, okay, I get that.

Also, in the OP, you said that it was game breaking the Yoshi in SMW could give Mario an extra spin jump, but you didin't mention what you were going to do about it. I'm assuming that means no boost-jump?

Finally, what do you think about giving Mario spin jump esque powers while riding Yoshi? It's just weird, because without that, it's kinda making Mario weaker...

I think I'm starting to get why you nerfed him, although I do hope that he will still be used for secrets in the game!

I've always wondered how Yoshi was going to play in MKF. I think the current set-up is more balanced than overpowered. If Yoshi did have a lot of his SMW mechanics, that would be broken, especially for flight. I can remember how in SMW when Mario or Luigi had a cape, you could just run to max speed and soar throught a lot of a level, if there weren't any puzzles or Yoshi eating a blue Koopa shell, giving him flight for a short time. I like this current set-up and see what comes out of it.

Awesome!

So does that mean Yoshi just dissapears when you get hit?

I'm really looking foward to seeing Yoshi in-game!

Do you think we'll be able to use yoshi's template for other rideable characters, such as Ecco for Tides of Terror?

This sounds like it's going to be pretty awesome. Wario kicking everyone's ass on a Yoshi? I can't wait.

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Suggestion of sorts:

Because MKF isn't really tailored for Yoshi, and in many levels it would break the game, would it be an all right idea for having access to him in mostly all levels (with the exception of some, and the SHMUPs ones, through the Coalition HQ) as some sort of end-game bonus? I think that'd be kind of nice, but I'm not sure how practical it would actually be to make, so this might be an incredibly stupid idea.

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Anyway, Yoshi! The YI mechanics definitely look like something I'll be looking forward to. Can't wait.

With all these abilitys, I could see a Yoshi making the jump to secret character.

Anyway, it sounds like fun!

We need sprites for he Coalition riding Yoshi, don't we?
(No I'm not offering, I need to finish Tengu Man and Overdrive Ostrich)

Mini/Medium Yoshi: I think he'll have the SMW swim mechanic, thats the one most players (Mario, Luigi, ...) are using.

Actually, I was refering to the coalition sitting down and riding on him in-stage, I totally forgot about the... lack of... need for... map sprites... yeah. Did I word that right?

QUOTE (Nathaniel607 @ Apr 5 2009, 03:34 AM)

I just don't see how yoshi broke the game.