As for his Jupiter suit abilities, his buster should be a three- or four-way shot, but with a slow cooldown to balance it out. And his charged shot should be a powerful beam that travels all the way across the screen (but not through walls) and lasts a second, but would force Firebrand to stop while using it, even while airborne.

This is based off Jupiter's abilities from the game.

Damn. First Arthur, now Firebrand?

Obreck you kick ass man.

Here is my first attempts at resizing Firebrand for you. It's not much, but I feel it's a good start. Also, I took a hand at making a custom sprite for Firebrand holding something, and I figured it would look best with one arm. Hope you like them.

Nice job there. You should team up with Mini Yoshi on shrinking all of the sprites and power ups.

So, about the power ups, has anything been planned yet?? If not, let me make a full gameplay suggestion, and ways to include his power ups from the game:

Basics:
Just like Cosmo about the walls, ducking, his Demon's Crest's flight, fireball, can't swim.

3 HP based, not outfit. Just like Link. You get potions that heal 1HP dropped from enemies only.

Fire Flower's equivalent:
Gives you randomly one of his two strongest "basic" fireballs.
1- Buster: the green ball Zero mentioned. It does damage equal to 2 fireballs. Can destroy bricks. Can have two of them in the screen at the same time.
2- Demon's fire: the last fireball you get in Demon's Crest. It does damage equal to 3 fireballs, but goes through weak enemies, and you can have only one on the screen and travels slowly, collides with walls. It would have a cooldown between shots too to balance it out since it's quite strong.

Aerial Gargoyle (Leaf and Tanooki equivalent, you get the same in both power up boxes, like Breakman for Protoman)
Gives you the ability to fly higher if you push up+jump in the air. You get his trademark windy shot. Can't stick to the walls.

Ground Gargoyle (you get in in Hammer Bro's boxes)
Gives you this power up, which allows you to charge while you are on the ground, like Wario's charge, gives you his trademark ground shockwave missile, and to balance it out, while you are charging you are immune to even the biggest missiles, since you lose the flight. Fits the strong but unpractical description.

NOTE: for the next power ups, I'm not saying they would be equivalents to what I will mention, just where would you find them, I know only Mario & Luigi have frog and blue shell and other suits, but I think not every character should have exactly the same equivalents for the power ups. Just let them have different set ups imo.

Legendary Gargoyle (time) (You would find this power up where Mario would find blue shells, or Luigi would find capes, not saying it's an equivalent, just where would you find them).
Gives you the time gargoyle, which has a fireball that does damage equal to 3 fireballs, can't go through enemies. This gargoyle was the defensive one. It would be immune to small missiles (just like Sonic's flame shield), and I don't know if it would be possible to reduce the damage Firebrand takes like in Demon's Crest to half, but that would be the point of this power up.

Tidal Gargoyle (you would find this power up where Mario & Luigi would find the frog suits)
Just gives you the Tidal Gargoyle, which does high damage underwater (3 fireballs with a explosion on contact to splash enemies), and lets you swim and dive with more agility underwater.
Outside of the water you would be weaker, just like the common Firebrand but without flight, just like in the game. But to balance it out, since his shots are weak (I'd say they do 3/4 the damage of a fireball, like Roll's buster, I think he should be able to have 4 water balls in the screen at the same time, outside of the water only of course)

Ultimate Gargoyle - Yashichi
Just like with other yashichis, it has a timer. Gives you a combination of all the suits above. Can swim, fly high, dash, etc.

Megaman: Jupiter
Like it was mentioned before, while you are hovering you can shoot a strong thunder on the ground while you keep the shoot button pushed. It would have an energy bar that can be exhausted, exactly like Wario's dragon cap.
While not flying, you can shoot a 4-direction bullet buster.

Sci-fi: Ridley
Already explained it before. Tail + Ridley's trademark fireball burst attack.



Well, that's it, thanks for reading this wall of text. This is what I suggest in general for this character. I think he could have "equivalents" to the frog and blue shell suits, the sprites are already there. Not every character must have exactly the same equivalents to the power ups right?

I finished resizing the sprites of Firebrand that we may use, and I also made some more additional custom sprites of Firebrand in an idle crouch and picking up something. I'll work on his moving carry sprites and hold sprites soon. I also went and used the character comparison to show how tall he is compared to the other characters, and with my current sizing, Firebrand is just one pixle smaller than Wario, including his wings, and is about the same height as Samus without them, depending on which Samus sprite is used. Once I'm done making the sprites of his basic form, I'll start working on his powerup forms.

Very nice job dude.

Edit: by the way, since you are doing a really nice job resizing them, are you planning on resizing some of his power ups too?

I will, once all of the sprites are there. As of now, there are still some more custom sprites that need to be made. I can resize the existing powerups and forms, but for the Jupiter and Ridley forms, I'll leave that to Mini-Yoshi Act 2, since he managed to apply that to the resized NES sprites. I'm sure he can do that to the resized SNES sprites, too. Until then, these are the sprites I need to make: Carry (movement), Hold and Hold (Movement), Crawl, Goal, Win, Climbing, Warp and maybe throwing. Should I also make swimming sprites? I know he can swim in Tidal form, but should I apply swimming sprites to all the forms?

I am virtually almost done with the Firebrand sprites of his basic form, and the reason I say "virtually", is because I'm contemplating the idea of putting in swimming and running sprites for him. I feel he will need swimming sprites in all his forms, since it will be mandatory to swim in some levels (ie. Corpse of the Behemoth). I get the fact that in Demon's Crest, he couldn't swim outside of Tidal Form, but in this game that will most likely be changed. After all, it's not the only time a game mechaninc from one game was changed when put in another. Roll can survive landing on spikes, when in the original series, it cost you a life. Besides, Tidal Form powerups won't always be around when you need them, so Firebrand will probably need the lifevest powerup like Sonic and Arthur. The Tidal Form will merely serve as a more powerful swimming form. I also got the thought of running sprites from watching videos of other characters in run sections. This will probably be the first case in which a character needs two different spritesets for running and walking, because the already existing characters, no matter how slow they are, always have the appearance of running in some form. So when Wario, Arthur, or Roll (there are others, but I used the main ones for reference) are forced into a run section, their running sprites don't seem out of place. It's a different case for Firebrand, who has always been depicted as walking. Anways, here are all the sprites of Firebrand that I've done, and compared to my last submissions, are much more organized. I've labled each of the different spritesets. Sprites with blue lables are the original sprites, resized for this game. The sprites with red lables are my custom sprites made to give Firebrand the general abilities and positions of the other characters he lacked in the original. Once every sprite needed is finished, I'll start working on his other forms and powerups. Hope you like them!

Very nice job! I like the carrying sprites and all the custom ones in general, just one thing you have to change: the holding sprites' arms.

See, this issue happened with small Wario and Ryu, well, the problem is, the sprite of the item you are holding goes behind the character, so, in the sprites, only one arm must be shown (the other arm would be hipotetically behind the item).

So, the only change: delete the left arm on those sprites, and on the right arm's hand, sprite the back side of the hand's palm so it looks like if it's holding it.

And one more thing, I don't think the headbutt sprites are going to be used at all, and if you want to try to make swimming sprites it's awesome, but if it doesnt turn out good, I guess the first 2 jumping sprites could be used as well for the animation.

But that's it, very nice work dude.

incredible work continues. and if Firebrand has his head butt does that mean some background objects are going to be brakeable to drop money coins or items?

QUOTE (ZeroFollower0 @ Aug 6 2009, 11:22 PM)

incredible work continues. and if Firebrand has his head butt does that mean some background objects are going to be brakeable to drop money coins or items?